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		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 15:57:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>René</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[part 2, not the best news In my previous blog post about the subject, I mentioned a workaround for the bug, and also said I didn’t like the idea of converting to GenericRGB somewhere in the process since it might clip colors… Gave it a quick try today, and yeah, it does clip &#8220;somewhat&#8221;&#8230; Same [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<h3>part 2, not the best news</h3>
<p>In my <a href="http://www.getcolormanaged.com/color-management/mac-osx-epson-and-photoshop-cs4/">previous blog post</a> about the subject, I mentioned a workaround for the bug, and also said I didn’t like the idea of converting to GenericRGB somewhere in the process since it might clip colors…</p>
<p>Gave it a quick try today, and yeah, it does clip &#8220;somewhat&#8221;&#8230;</p>
<p>Same image as last time. Original is AdobeRGB. In this image, some purples and dark blues are out of gamut for the R2880, using Epson Premium Glossy paper. Admittedly, not your &#8220;average&#8221; color palette, but one that does show problems if they are there.</p>
<h3>Softproofed</h3>
<p>Let&#8217;s start by showing the original converted to sRGB; <span id="more-83"></span><br />
(again: all screenshots converted to sRGB for web display)<br />
<img style="margin: 10px 10px 10px 0pt; float: left;" title="Original converted to sRGB" src="http://www.getcolormanaged.com/images/Blog/PSCS4_Epson_sRGB_original.jpg" alt="Original converted to sRGB" /></p>
<p>Nice and colorful. Not that big a difference from the AdobeRGB original.  (It&#8217;s only slightly out of sRGB gamut in the shadow areas.)</p>
<p>When softproofing for the Epson Glossy Paper profile, you see a difference, but about what&#8217;s expected. Purples turn a bit blue-ish. Not a huge problem in this case I&#8217;d say. Not worth a screenshot. If it were a problem, I&#8217;d correct it while softproofing.</p>
<h3>Okay, so far so good.</h3>
<p>Now apply the workaround: Convert to the paper profile. No change obviously, since I was already softproofing. Then assign Generic RGB. Totally whacked colors. Also to be expected and also not worth a screenshot. </p>
<p>If the workaround were without drawbacks, the image would be sent to the printer and be converted from paper profile to GenericRGB somewhere along the lines. But since we  &#8220;compensated&#8221; for that by assigning the GenericRGB profile beforehand, you&#8217;d expect the results to be the same: The printer gets the right &#8220;numbers&#8221; sent&#8230; But <em>are</em> the numbers the same?</p>
<h3>Timeline, step by step.</h3>
<p>This is what the image goes through:</p>
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<li>Open original in PSCS4. Softproof &#038; edit as needed</li>
<li>Convert to printer profile (workaround step 1)</li>
<li>Assign GenericRGB (workaround step 2)</li>
<li>Press &#8220;print&#8221; in PSCS4</li>
<li>Convert to printer profile (by PSCS4s print engine)</li>
<li>Convert to GenericRGB (done by OSX because of this bug)</li>
<li>Assume printer profile. (by the R2880, because it knows nothing about color management, and just prints the data it gets)</li>
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<p>The problem lies in step 6: (For those interested: It&#8217;s easily reproducible by doing the same steps manually in Photoshop.)</p>
<p>The image after step 5 is <strong>massively</strong> out of the GenericRGB gamut, as shown here:<br />
The funky colors are the result of assigning GenericRGB in step 3 obviously.<br />
<img style="margin: 10px 10px 10px 0pt; float: left;" title="Gamut warning to GenericRGB" src="http://www.getcolormanaged.com/images/Blog/PSCS4_Epson_gamut_warning.jpg" alt="Gamut warning to GenericRGB" /></p>
<p>This results in clipping. Big time.</p>
<h3>The result&#8230;</h3>
<p>&#8230;is a print that is <em>way</em> less saturated then it should have been: Top left would be like printed from PSCS4 using the &#8220;workaround&#8221;, bottom right is the print that PSCS2 would produce:</p>
<p><img style="margin: 10px 20px 10px 0pt; float: left;" title="Difference in print output" src="http://www.getcolormanaged.com/images/Blog/PSCS4_Epson_workaround.jpg" alt="Difference in print output" /></p>
<p>I hope that this bug gets fixed pronto. I know I&#8217;ll keep using PSCS2 for printing in the meantime&#8230; Which <del >sucks</del> is a bit of a drawback quite frankly.<br />
(Again: Apple and Epson: Are you reading this?)</p>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 16:02:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>René</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[don&#8217;t seem to play nice together. When testing my Epson R2880 on PSCS4, it was quite obvious that something was off; The print came out looking nothing like the softproof on screen. To give an indication of what it looked like: Here is a splitscreen: Top left is the softproofed image, bottom right is what [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<h3>don&#8217;t seem to play nice together.</h3>
<p>When testing my Epson R2880 on PSCS4, it was quite obvious that something was off; The print came out looking nothing like the softproof on screen.</p>
<p>To give an indication of what it looked like: Here is a splitscreen: Top left is the softproofed image, bottom right is what the print looked like:<br />
(screenshot converted to sRGB for web display: The difference is bigger in print)<img style="margin: 10px 10px 10px 0pt; float: left;" title="Softproof vs. print" src="http://www.getcolormanaged.com/images/Blog/PSCS4_Epson_bug.jpg" alt="Softproof vs. print" /></p>
<p>The same image printed from PSCS2 was a perfect match to the softproof. Very weird.<br />
I remembered that another photographer had complained to me about similar issues, and showed me some pdf files in preview. (In OSX you can preview a print as pdf file in Preview).</p>
<p>So I tried that. What a surprise: pdf generated when printing from PSCS2 was <em>entirely</em> different from the one using PSCS4. Same printer driver, same settings in Photoshop, same <em><strong>everything</strong></em>.<br />
Neither of the pdfs looked even remotely like the respective prints by the way. The PSCS4 pdf looked like the softproof (as did the PSCS2 print).</p>
<h3>Getting weirder by the minute.</h3>
<p>A search on the net only brought up a &#8220;Double profiling&#8221; issue in OSX 10.5.something. Not what I was experiencing. Also, I&#8217;m running 10.<strong>4</strong>.11.</p>
<p>So, I decided to investigate further.<br />
The pdf generated when printing from PSCS2, has an <em>AdobeRGB1998</em> profile embedded. No idea why, since it is obvious the wrong profile (should be the paper specific profile for the R2880 I&#8217;d think, but that also isn&#8217;t the case)<br />
Even weirder, the PSCS4 pdf, had a <a href="http://developer.apple.com/qa/qa2005/qa1430.html" onclick="urchinTracker('/outgoing/developer.apple.com/qa/qa2005/qa1430.html?referer=');"><em>GenericRGB</em></a> profile. What? Why on earth&#8230; That one has an even slightly <em>smaller</em> gamut then sRGB as far as I know&#8230;</p>
<h3>Workaround</h3>
<p>Some <del>messing about</del> testing with profiles followed.<br />
It turned out that converting the PSCS2 pdf to GenericRGB, then <em>assigning</em> the paper profile, gave two identical images (easier to compare that way around, since the pdf coming out of the PSCS2 print path was <em>very</em> saturated and weird looking because of the wrong profile). Both were now again looking like the softproof in Photoshop.<br />
So, doing the reverse (Convert to paper profile, <em>assign</em> GenericRGB) should give a decent print out of PSCS4. (at least, looking at the pdf. Haven&#8217;t wasted any paper on it yet).</p>
<h3>So far for a workaround, now for the explanation&#8230;</h3>
<p>Including &#8220;GenericRGB&#8221; in the search term proved to be a good idea. On the Adobe Forums I found a <a href="http://forums.adobe.com/message/1535327#1535327" onclick="urchinTracker('/outgoing/forums.adobe.com/message/1535327_1535327?referer=');">thread</a> about grayscale printing (no wonder I hadn&#8217;t found it earlier).<br />
In that thread Eric Chan explains how <em>OSX Leopard will convert the image data to Generic Gray or Generic RGB before handing it off to the driver.</em> So, yeah. That&#8217;s likely to screw things up&#8230;<br />
I&#8217;m still not sure why or where the PDF out of PSCS2 gets an AdobeRGB profile. Seems rather silly if you ask me.</p>
<p>I might use the workaround when in PSCS4, or print from PSCS2 until this issue gets fixed&#8230; I think I&#8217;ll mostly use the latter, since I don&#8217;t like the idea of converting to GenericRGB somewhere in the process; it might clip colors without me having any control&#8230;<br />
Have to compare a few prints, to see if there are differences.</p>
<p>Edit: The workaround does have its drawbacks: See <a href="http://www.getcolormanaged.com/color-management/part2/">my next blog post</a>.</p>
<p>(Apple and Epson: Are you reading this?)</p>
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